… from Russia Today, Moscow
Update: As I had mentioned in the comments below this was a moving story and we would be watching for updates. The story was debunked today, and how it was done is quite a story in itself. Politico dug it all out, a good read. See our new story on it here...JD
[ Editor’s Note: We will be learning a lot about Mr. Cruz quickly as a mass of investigators are sifting through every shred of info they can find.
The biggest clue has come from this white nationalist group, who said Cruz had recently had an problem with a girl and suspected that this being done on Valentines Day was not a coincidence.
The ADL was quick to jump on the story to get some publicity. But it is quite the irony of a Jewish supremacist group putting the spotlight on a white nationalist one, how differently they are viewed.
Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani’s crooked police chief of 9-11 fame also grabbed the spotlight, accusing the FBI of “wasting resources chasing Russian collusion,” instead of interviewing clairvoyants to help them pre-empt school shooters.
The gun grabbers were on the assault before the bodies were cold, their usual self debasement which they are blind to, as Mr. Cruz was with his horrible crime.
Twenty minutes is way too long before engaging a shooter like this. A school of 3000 students had a lot of teachers. Certainly some could have formed an “on the premises” first line of defense. We are supposed to be a society of people willing to die to protect children, but I see the opposite in these school shootings.
The policy still seems to be that the facility has no responsibility of defending its students during the first few critical minutes. A shooter who finds himself under fire has to change his turkey shoot game plan.
That his how you save lives. That should be the first duty of the school, to create a threat to him so he makes a run for it … Jim W. Dean ]
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– First published … February 15, 2018 –
Authorities have identified Nikolas Cruz, 19, as the attacker who killed 17 and wounded 14 people at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Wednesday. Cruz has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder.
Jordan Jereb, leader of the Republic of Florida (ROF) group, told AP that Cruz “acted on his own behalf of what he just did and he’s solely responsible for what he just did.”
Jereb also said Cruz had “trouble with a girl” and he believed that it wasn’t a coincidence the attack was carried out on Valentine’s Day.
Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said on Thursday that they called the ROF after self-described group members claimed Cruz was one of them on the discussion forum 4chan. Jereb confirmed that Cruz was associated with the group, having been “brought up” by another member, according to the ADL.
The ROF had not ordered or wanted Cruz to commit the school shooting, Jereb told the ADL. The ROF calls itself “a white civil rights organization fighting for white Identitarian [sic] politics, and the ultimate creation of a white ethnostate.”
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Well, the police statement is interesting in what it said and didn’t say, and the reversal by Jereb to me indicates that perhaps more than one or two officers may also have been to meetings. He may have gotten a phone call.
It would look very bad for the police in this case if 2 or 3 officers from the department were at the same type of meetings as Cruz, ….. or even more perhaps
Yup, and we have become a violent culture, which is highly beneficial to those who would farm us for their elite attack force specializing in global resource acquisition and foreign intervention. If we trusted our government, many things would be nicer. We have 22 million federal employees, which is 1/3rd the population of Great Britain. The only two countries that have attacked us on our own soil are our biggest allies.
For every hard worker, their are numerous supervisors in an endless chain of command that runs through a Gordian knot of vacant responsibility. It is nobodies job to do anything. So we let demagogues and usurpers through the gate to the capitol. Onward Christian Soldiers is their theme song.
I made the non reverent comment because that is my opinion based on his track record. I don’t care who his ‘people” are. If I listen to a guy say something, I wait to see if it is true, or if his predictions or information seem to disregard other evidence. Jim Stone does not have a good track record in my opinion.
You made the statement, “most commenters here revere Jim Stone” , (which I disagree with) and I simply said, I do not. I am just one commenter, and I am not affiliated with VT beyond , the comment section.
There is a simple explanation. Copy cat crimes have been with us since the Texas bell tower sniper. Later we had the term “going postal” enter the lexicon. It was universally recognized, without much debate, that the massive coverage given these events appealed psychologically to certain loser types that want to go out the door for being famous as a mass shooter. You notice that none of these were done by career criminals, as “going out the door” have never been their goal.
Almost everything in this shooting shows the characteristics of a drill which is gone life.
On Henry Markow’s site you’ll find more, also on Jake Morphonios Youtube site. These are only a few of the most well known, more to come, because this time they did rather many mistakes as it appears.
About the real victims we can only speculate at this early time, but if A is faulty and B depends on A then B might also be faulty.
We have, tetrapod , US senator Mark Sanford R. SC saying we will wait on public reaction and believes the solution, after so many tragedies, goes beyond gun rights. These false flags have a purpose and little doubt this kids mind has been fractured. Calling the laid back scene as still active is one thing they erred on of many. And the epitaph of each victim read on the national news half hour is another sigh this is agenda driven.
As a commenter from outside the US, can I ask my beautiful American friends to beware events like this causing even more division in your great country.
Whether this event is staged or not, the object was to create a powerful reaction. It’s all too easy for us as outraged individuals to seize upon an aspect of the event and argue that ‘something must be done!’
Perhaps the sensible response is to gather information while avoiding blaming alleged perps, agencies or groups until more is known.
If evil is done to make us respond without thinking, then we can counter it by thinking and not responding.
There is no place for racism or religious fanaticism in the US. It was founded as secular multiracial sanctuary.
It’s future, can only be one thing. It sure as hell will not be white supremacy.
This shooting is emotionally based and driven. It is an emotional conflagration.
A symptom of a disease with a very clearly and comprehensively defined and illustrated cause.
If white supremacists were fish, I could catch them all in a day. And I suck at fishing.
I do not hate religion nor do I hate anyone. I abhor lies and behaviors that get innocent people killed.
To be passionate is not to hate. The difference between non-religious people and religious people is simple. Obedience masked as faith. I call it what it is. A made up control system. And it’s working pretty well.
See, I can”t accept someone saying they are an unbiased investigator if they follow liars and apologize for them constantly. Religions are not helping children in any way. I bet everyone here knows the word to Onward Christian Soldiers am I right ?
Johnny, If when you and your loved ones pass away, and I came and erased all your history, and deleted your names and accomplishments from all records, and replaced it with a false narrative, you would say I am not good for teaching children. But, this is what Religions do, every day for over a thousand years, brutally and callously, so, what I do does not compare to them. I am nothing like that.
I do not feel hate toward the people, because I know how easy it is to be fooled by it. Especially when they raise you with those songs, and stories. It is a crime by any definition. If they want to be honest, then just say, we don’t really want the truth, we want a comfortable lie. I would have no problem with that.
I got a couple thousand of these from every denomination,.. people see this and keep walking, like the walking dead. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-12/salvos-may-have-believed-eden-park-children-as-progeny-of-evil/6846308
Yea, well son, count me among the non reverent.
“Local law enforcement sources have not found a connection between accused Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz and a Tallahassee-based paramilitary group.” – http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/
“Messages are popping up on 4chan that the whole “Cruz is a white supremacist” was a hoax created by their resident autists to trap a too-eager media. Parkland Sheriff office says they have no evidence of a connection. Y’all be careful with what you hear.”
Sorry to see VT and the ADL fall for a bogus “White Supremacist” narrative.
It’s not falling for it. These are earlier reports and readers here know that all early reports are preliminary. We are not in the instant “who dun it” like so many others. We had quotes from the group’s leader confirming that the kid was a member. That’s news…not an indictment. We have been through this dill many times now.
The attack on Syria was a huge flop so here come the zio assets in the US doing their level best to deflect. Looking into that kids eyes are the tell tale signs, the lights are on but no one is home. False flag can explain what happened and the stupid stream media is in lock step all the way.
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