Here are the Latest Devolpments in the Ukraine war
…from the New York Times
[ Editor’s Note: Kiev bites the bullet and decides that forcing the Azov troops in the Mariupol Steel Mill to fight to the death may not be fair to them. Imagine that. Their lives will be spared, for a while anyway.
All of them are war criminals, and I doubt they will get the velvet glove treatment from Russia, a detailed war crimes trial, with long sentences for those convicted. Those of high value could be swapped.
Regular Ukrainian soldiers would be expected to be swapped for regular Russian soldiers. But what Kiev did is to bring the Nazis into the Ukrainian army, thinking that would give them some immunity from war crime prosecutions.
But what Ukraine might do in response is take a bunch of regular Russian POWs, anoint them as some alternate equivalent of the Ukie Nazis, and hold war crimes trials for them. Then Russia might respond by doing the same with regular Ukrainian soldiers.
All during this ongoing POW debate, NATO and Western press would support whatever Kiev did, no matter how nasty. But the Kiev government people have a target hanging on them for staging things like Bucha, which will be easy to prove in court.
Foreign mercenaries are another category. Are they illegal, or legal, where they are due the Geneva convention treatment?
As for Russifying captured territory, I would present that ethnic Russians living in Ukraine for generations can make a good case to unite with Russia formally, especially after the abuse incurred from Kiev’s neo-Nazis.
Thus ends my cheery missive for today… Jim W. Dean ]
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First Published … May 17, 2022
The bloodiest battle of the war in Ukraine ended in Mariupol on Tuesday, long after the city itself was obliterated, as the Ukrainian military ordered fighters holed up at a steel mill to surrender and dozens of their comrades were evacuated to Russian-held territory aboard buses emblazoned with the Russian war emblem “Z.”
Ukraine’s decision to end combat at the sprawling Azovstal steel plant gave Moscow full control over a vast sweep of southern Ukraine, stretching from the Russian border to Crimea, as Russian forces appeared to be fortifying their hold over parts of the south that they seized early in their invasion.
Even as Russia’s onslaught in eastern Ukraine struggles, the developments in the south underscore how much territory Moscow has captured, and suggest that Ukrainian forces will face steep challenges in attempting to regain it.
Along a path of land stretching more than 500 miles from Luhansk in the east to Kherson on the Black Sea, the Ukrainian military said Russian forces were building defensive positions, installing proxy governments and taking steps to “Russify” the population.
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White Christians hating & killing each other – while those-who-must-not-be-named rub their hands with glee.
I have no idea how other countries want to handle mercs, but for the US, it should be illegal to sell your skills and time to foreign countries in any conflict, once you have reached ten years of active duty. We paid to have that training applied to our “Defense” not someone else’s offense.
We have a problem with mercs and politicals forming their own defacto side armies. We also have a state department, so we do not need free lance power brokers such as rogue senators making side deals in conflicts. Just make it illegal to receive any money. As for if and when they get captured, they are on their own. We ought not be financing any religious crusades.
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if the regular UAF Breaks ( read the rumblings ) – mite B looking @ a Civil War w/n the UAF factions ?
https://en.topwar.ru/196418-kapituljacija-i-plen-vse-novye-gruppy-boevikov-vyhodjat-s-zavoda-azovstal-v-mariupole.html
The NY Times called it an “evacuation” of Azovstal. Neither they, or any other western media, are calling it a surrender of the Azovstal garrison. I think you’d have to go back to the Soviet era TASS state news agency to get this kind of propagandist, duplicitous reporting. Western media credibility is stained forever.
They will be evacuated to Siberian uranium mines forever, I hope.
It is “glorious Ukie-type surrender”.
The village where these jackals are being taken today was very intensively shelled by Ukrainian military bandits. Everything suggests that Kiev really wants the rats from Azov to die and not have time to give evidence to military prosecutors and investigators.
The great New York Times! Right up there with CNN and MSNBC and other MSM. Always trying to out lie each other.
Pay for a soldier in Ukrainian military is $3,400 a monh.
Average monthly income for a Ukrainian citizen (not in the military) is $260
And who pays the salaries of the Ukrainia soldiers? Certainly not the Ukrainian government.
Its the USA and NATO. That is exactly how this war operates.
I feel sorry for all these guys. I hope they can all go home to their families and “demilitarize”.
You can call them scum and rats but really they are just young soldiers working as soldiers, and now for a very decent wage that can buy a flat, support some kids and family just like all other soldiers would want.
These guys “slavic” and have been coerced and bribed with a “deal you cant refuse” by the USA to kill their slavic brothers.
World can only de-nazified when WashDC is de-nazified.
The real nazis to fear are in the USA and NATO, they are the ones running the show, paying the “actors” prolonging the ethnic cleansing campaign of Russians living in Ukraine that started in 2014.
While looking up stats for salaries I came upon an article March 5th that said the Ukrainian government will pay any Russian soldier that surrenders $50,000 plus a pardon….interesting…look it up if you dont believe me.
With all due respect, you don’t understand what you just wrote. What kind of regret can there be for these moral freaks? Undress any of the Azov battalion – he will be in swastika tattoos and fascist slogans. But that’s not even the point. This is an elite battalion of misanthropes who committed terrible crimes in Mariupol. All the special services were afraid of them: the army, the police. These bastards could shoot a man in broad daylight, kidnap girls and rape and then kill, and no one was punished for it. So all these creatures from Azovstal will be interrogated and punished in the cruelest way! These are inglorious bastards whose hands are up to the elbows in blood. Not an ounce of regret for them. There are random military men among them, they have a different attitude to them. The criminals from Azov deserve a shameful death by hanging. A bullet in the forehead is too much for these inhumans.
“Pay for a soldier in Ukrainian military is $3,400 a monh.” – where did you get this BS info? It is a BS!
Hi Andrew
I am on your side dont worry about it.
But
Look it up on google, a ukrainian soldier gets paid 100,000 UR a month and that is $3400 USD.
No BS!
AlQueda used to pay their mercenaries $2000 a month plus big bonuses for kills and heads cut off in the invasion of Iraq (250,000 thousand AlQueda mercenaries imported there)
My point is the real villians, the real nazi devils, the ones with real power and who should be punished to extreme are not really the foot soldiers, its those that pay Ukrainians 10 times the average monthly wage, to kill Russians. And that is the USA governement and NATO.
Who are the killers of civilians, rapists, kidnappers, sadists, and who are the soldiers with no real choice in life but to join Ukrainian army and get that big paycheck for it.
I would like to see Russian prisoners exchanged for some of these guys….the ones not azov
Hi, Konehead))
Therefore, there will be a very serious filtering and verification. They destroyed their phones, but there are very professional investigators in Russia.
They are not just young soldiers, they are man´s willing and able to do harm to other´s and that´s why they were caught red handed! Ain´t any excuse for the fact that we, at an certain age are selfish and willing to get what we want, even if we harm other´s. That´s why you have so many young americans creating avoc all over the world.
The money may come from the US and European taxpayer but the orders come from Tel Aviv.
Azov Jews are in Palestrina since 8 decades Killing Teens and depopulating poor Arabs / Muslims .. Azove Jews are trying to transfer Jerusalem to Ukrain as a greater sh i t e hole Holy ISISrael ! Read time of ISISrael !
Hopefully there are NATO people there so they can be traded. The nazi it’s jail or death.
Hopefully NATO people and US top military people are there, but not traded, but paraded on all networks. The US here can not block every news organization that is truthful. Let them suffer going through war criminal trials publicly. Let them be sentenced to long sentences and maybe traded afterward , but the world has to know the evil of what runs the US, UK, and NATO countries. Everything here is censored.
Where is the proof that Mariupol was obliterated? It does fit well into western propaganda though, like Bucha. Azovstal steel plant in operational mode was biohazardous as well.
Where is the proof of any wartime destruction before surrender terms are signed?
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